Sailfin molly
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Ako ima zivorotka koju cenim, onda je to ova ribica. Njihov nacin udvaranja i parenja je divan prizor. Oni koji to nisu videli neka zemisle muzjaka valifere sa rasirenom grbnom perkom od 4 cm 
-divota od ribica.
Mozda valifere ce dobiti jedan poseban akvarijum kod mene-MOZDA.
-divota od ribica.Mozda valifere ce dobiti jedan poseban akvarijum kod mene-MOZDA.
Dane ovo je Latipinna a ne Velifera a slicnost je stvarno velika
Inace to stoji sto si rekao i vazi i za Latipinu.
Inace to stoji sto si rekao i vazi i za Latipinu.
Drago mi je da se Boban setio da napise nesto i zivorotkama, takozvanim pocetnickim ribama.
Nepravedno zapostavljene i malo uvazavane medju jacim akvaristima i ove ribice imaju svojih cari i osobenosti koje su za svaki respekt. Odgajiti dobru liniju zivorotki trazi i upornosti i strpljenja pa to cak prelazi i u umetnost. One mogu da zadive kako svojim bojama, oblikom tako i svojim ponasanjem kako race Dane.
Treba samo posmatrati i uzivati.
Pozdrav. Mirka.
Nepravedno zapostavljene i malo uvazavane medju jacim akvaristima i ove ribice imaju svojih cari i osobenosti koje su za svaki respekt. Odgajiti dobru liniju zivorotki trazi i upornosti i strpljenja pa to cak prelazi i u umetnost. One mogu da zadive kako svojim bojama, oblikom tako i svojim ponasanjem kako race Dane.
Treba samo posmatrati i uzivati.
Pozdrav. Mirka.
Onda ono sta sam rekao vazi za valifere, sa latipinnama nisam imao iskustvo, a kako stvari stoje tesko da cu ikada imati.
Da, razlika izmedju Poecilia latipinna i Poecilia velifera je mala ali ipak postoji. :wink:
Velicina muzjaka kod Poecilia latipinna-e i kod Poecilia velifera-e je ista ,oko 15 cm. Dok su velicine kod zenki razlicite , 10 cm i 18 cm u korist Poecilia velifera -e. Ima tu jos nekih sitnih morfoloskih razlika u velicini i obliku ledjnog i repnog preaja ,obliku tela i td...
Hteo bih nesto iz svog licnog iskustva da naglasim za ovu vrstu ribe. Obavezno u akvarijum ubacite soli (NaCl) jer u suprotnom imacete velikih problema sa najezdom koznih oboljenja kod tih riba !
Na samom pocetku bavljenja akvaristike i prvim susretima sa latipinom i veliferom, imao sam samo probleme i gubitke sve dok nisam poslusao savete tada iskusnijih akvarista i ubacio soli u te akvarijume gde su te vrste riba bile. Od tada nisam imao nikada problema sa njima ali morate voditi racuna za ostale vste riba koje ne trpe povecan salinitet u vodi, znaci pazite sa kojim vrstama riba zelite da ih drzite u zajednickom akvarijumu.
Velicina muzjaka kod Poecilia latipinna-e i kod Poecilia velifera-e je ista ,oko 15 cm. Dok su velicine kod zenki razlicite , 10 cm i 18 cm u korist Poecilia velifera -e. Ima tu jos nekih sitnih morfoloskih razlika u velicini i obliku ledjnog i repnog preaja ,obliku tela i td...
Hteo bih nesto iz svog licnog iskustva da naglasim za ovu vrstu ribe. Obavezno u akvarijum ubacite soli (NaCl) jer u suprotnom imacete velikih problema sa najezdom koznih oboljenja kod tih riba !
Na samom pocetku bavljenja akvaristike i prvim susretima sa latipinom i veliferom, imao sam samo probleme i gubitke sve dok nisam poslusao savete tada iskusnijih akvarista i ubacio soli u te akvarijume gde su te vrste riba bile. Od tada nisam imao nikada problema sa njima ali morate voditi racuna za ostale vste riba koje ne trpe povecan salinitet u vodi, znaci pazite sa kojim vrstama riba zelite da ih drzite u zajednickom akvarijumu.
Pa sudeci prema slikama koje su dovoljno jasne da se vidi o cemu se radi meni deluje da vecina ima Latipinne a ne Velifere. Ljudi sve to svrstaju u jednu kosaru pa zovu Velifera. Mozda im tako lepse zvuci.
Eto pogledaj i na akvaristika.org pa ces da vidis da je Latipinna stavljena u bazu pod imenom Velifera. To jasno govori da ljudi mesaju te vrste. Mozda ce to i da se popravi ako mi malo potegnemo sve to i saznamo vise o njima.
Eto vecina kaze da je Velifera ili Latipina za pocetnike a sta smo mi ako mesamo te dve vrste
Eto pogledaj i na akvaristika.org pa ces da vidis da je Latipinna stavljena u bazu pod imenom Velifera. To jasno govori da ljudi mesaju te vrste. Mozda ce to i da se popravi ako mi malo potegnemo sve to i saznamo vise o njima.
Eto vecina kaze da je Velifera ili Latipina za pocetnike a sta smo mi ako mesamo te dve vrste
To sto ljudi mesaju ove ribe u najvecem breoju slucajeva krivi su ovdasnji uvoznici i maloprodavci . Obicno lose obavesten uvoznik proturi losu informaciju jos losije obavestenom maloprodavcu i tako stvar krene. Kao i obicno od njih vecina ovakve greske krecu i nisu samo ove dve ribe primer takvog neznanja(nazalost). Inace sto se greske na pomenutom sajtu u bazi riba tice ni to nije jedina ... ima ih jos nekolicina ali ih sada necu nabrajati jer se to moze pogresno protumaciti.
Ja licno se dosta trudim da ovakve greske saniram edukujuci ljude sa kojima radim.
Fauna pominje ubacivanje soli koje je lako razumljivo ukolio se ima u vidu gde ove ribe obitavaju u prirodi. Ja bih samo u tom kontekstu napomenuo da je bolje dodavati morsku so (onu sinteticku koristim ja) koja osim Nacl poseduje jos neke soli potrebne za zivot ovih riba. Inace i velifera i latipina tolerisu veoma veliku kolicinu rastvorene soli u vodi. Uz dodatu so povisite im malo temperaturudo 26 - 28 podeoka i bice vam veoma zahvalne
Ja licno se dosta trudim da ovakve greske saniram edukujuci ljude sa kojima radim.
Fauna pominje ubacivanje soli koje je lako razumljivo ukolio se ima u vidu gde ove ribe obitavaju u prirodi. Ja bih samo u tom kontekstu napomenuo da je bolje dodavati morsku so (onu sinteticku koristim ja) koja osim Nacl poseduje jos neke soli potrebne za zivot ovih riba. Inace i velifera i latipina tolerisu veoma veliku kolicinu rastvorene soli u vodi. Uz dodatu so povisite im malo temperaturudo 26 - 28 podeoka i bice vam veoma zahvalne
Razumem ja to da uvoznici ne vode racuna o tome jer je njima samo interes da prodaju te ribe i to opravdava, samo donekle, njihov stav. Iz tog razloga treba upozoriti ili reci krajnjim korisnicima o cemu se radi. Uvoznici uglavnom te ribe prodaju pod obicnim, akvaristickim, imenom. Ali dobro, glavno je da smo mi zadovoljni.
Sustinske razlike u osnovi i nema.
So je nesto sto im treba, po pravilima literature i iskustva, mada mogu i bez soli. Po mom misljenju, konstantan izvor hrane je nesto sto mi ne bi trebali da zanemarimo. Deluje mi kao da svaki primerak nije u stanju da se izbori za hranu ako je ona u nekoj ogranicenoj kolicini. Stoga, izobilje hrane je neki preduslov za uspesno drzanje ovih riba. Dodavanje raznovrsne hrane u nekim kracim vremenskim intervalima je pozeljno ako ne zelimo da se susretnemo sa onim pogrbljenostima ovih riba. To sve otezava odrzavanje akvarijuma ali to je neophodno.
Greske na akvaristika.org kao i bilo gde drugde treba da se poentiraju jer svi mi mozemo da pogresimo. Mi ne bi trebali da imamo predrasude prema tome jer to je od opsteg znacaja za sve nas. Nas interes je da razvijamo akvaristiku bez obzira gde se diskutuje o tome. Mislim da je losa ideja da ja promovisem ovaj sajt ili bilo koji drugi tako sto cu da isticem tudje greske a treba da znamo da niko nije bezgresan. I ja ih pravim kao i svi ostali akvaristi. Prosto receno, zajedno smo jaci.
Sustinske razlike u osnovi i nema.
So je nesto sto im treba, po pravilima literature i iskustva, mada mogu i bez soli. Po mom misljenju, konstantan izvor hrane je nesto sto mi ne bi trebali da zanemarimo. Deluje mi kao da svaki primerak nije u stanju da se izbori za hranu ako je ona u nekoj ogranicenoj kolicini. Stoga, izobilje hrane je neki preduslov za uspesno drzanje ovih riba. Dodavanje raznovrsne hrane u nekim kracim vremenskim intervalima je pozeljno ako ne zelimo da se susretnemo sa onim pogrbljenostima ovih riba. To sve otezava odrzavanje akvarijuma ali to je neophodno.
Greske na akvaristika.org kao i bilo gde drugde treba da se poentiraju jer svi mi mozemo da pogresimo. Mi ne bi trebali da imamo predrasude prema tome jer to je od opsteg znacaja za sve nas. Nas interes je da razvijamo akvaristiku bez obzira gde se diskutuje o tome. Mislim da je losa ideja da ja promovisem ovaj sajt ili bilo koji drugi tako sto cu da isticem tudje greske a treba da znamo da niko nije bezgresan. I ja ih pravim kao i svi ostali akvaristi. Prosto receno, zajedno smo jaci.
Hteo bih da pojasnim moju recenicu : ..."Obavezno u akvarijum ubacite soli (NaCl) jer..."
Uvek kada kazem da treba ubaciti soli ( NaCl ) u akvarijumsku vodu , podrazumevam specijalnu morsku so za akvarijume. Ja sam protivnik upotrebljavanja obicne kuhinjske soli zbog raznih aditiva u takvoj soli, koje mogu da budu stetne po zdravlje nasih riba. :!:
Mislim da svaki ozbiljan akvarista trebao bi to da zna i da izbegava upotrebljavanje kuhinjske soli u akvaristicke svrhe. Mada je Octopus u pravu, da treba napomenuti koja je so u pitanju jer dosta akvarista jos uvek to ne zna :wink:
Uvek kada kazem da treba ubaciti soli ( NaCl ) u akvarijumsku vodu , podrazumevam specijalnu morsku so za akvarijume. Ja sam protivnik upotrebljavanja obicne kuhinjske soli zbog raznih aditiva u takvoj soli, koje mogu da budu stetne po zdravlje nasih riba. :!:
Mislim da svaki ozbiljan akvarista trebao bi to da zna i da izbegava upotrebljavanje kuhinjske soli u akvaristicke svrhe. Mada je Octopus u pravu, da treba napomenuti koja je so u pitanju jer dosta akvarista jos uvek to ne zna :wink:
fina mala raspravica tamo gdje joj mozda nije mjesto :?
ljen sam za pisati a i stvarno gadno ogranicen s vremenom u zadnje vrijeme, imam jedan clanak kojemu ne znam ni adresu nego ga stavljam sa kompjutera, ne znam da li e to smije, al eto... :?
islustvo, praksa i teorija ... o tom bi se dalo puno raspravljati pa evo sto jedan cica kaze o tome, kako on misli da bi to trebalo biti, ja sam drzao i jedne i druge u slatkoj vodi bez problema, vidio sam velifere u morskom akvarije koje su tamo normalno zivjele i jos svakakvih cuda al mi se opet cini da u nista nisam siguran ... :?
THE GREAT MOLLY-SALT DEBATE
Reprinted from the Freshwater & Marine Aquarium Magazine column (FAMA) .
One of the oldest-running conventional wisdoms in this hobby is the necessity of adding salt to molly tanks. As the theory goes, mollies experience the shimmies without brackish water, and eventually succumb to poor health. The basis for this seemingly age-old wisdom comes from various fishkeepers, as well as the brackish or marine conditions that Poecilia lattipina (the ancestor of all cultivated Mollys), often frequents. The experience of expert molly keepers, collectors, and fish farmers, however, is just the opposite: salt is NOT a requirement for healthy mollies. So whos right?
The Salty Facts
One of the problems with most of the hobby literature advocating the use of salt is that folks who are not specialized molly breeders often write them. One book I read even advises molly breeders not to bother with any special feeding for the fry, as youll have more mollies than you need anyway! A good source for authoritative information are the folks at the livebearer hobby organizations, molly collectors, as well as the Florida fish farmers who supply these animals. Heres what they tell us in summary
Not all Mollies are the same. Pet shop and introduced mollies are usually aquarium strains which are hybrids from Poecilia latipinna, P. velifera, and species from the sphenops complex.
Mollies are Adaptable. Aquarium mollies are highly adaptable fish that have been introduced all over the world in a variety of fresh and marine habitats. Floridas race of P. latipinna is the only Molly species that commonly inhabits "salt-water" and one of the few (along with a race of P. velifera) to inhabit "brackish" habitats. This probably explains why aquarium strains of mollies do not have a salinity mortality threshold like other livebearers (most aquarium strains have P. latipinna and/or velifera in their ancestry). Ive collected P. latipinna in Key Largo, Florida right next to a Sea Anemone. But just a few miles away in the Everglades, fresh water becomes their biotope. In Shreveport, Louisiana Livebearers Journal Editor Bill Allen collects them in the rainwater-fed drainage ditches! Even the South American One-Spot Molly, P. vivapara, consists of races that exist from both soft rainforests and coastal lagoons. All these fish are breeding and thriving.
Most Mollys Never See Salt. Most if not all the Mollys that inhabit the streams and rivers of Central America will live out their lives without ever venturing into brackish water. Many of these are fish of the sphenops complex that include species now classified as Poecilia maylandi, butleri, and salvatoris among others. Aquarium strains with short fins or smaller dorsals have these animals in their ancestry. Their biotopes are often fast moving streams and rivers fed mainly by rainfall. These same fish can and do occasionally exist in brackish deltas and marshes, but that does not mean this should be considered the "type" environment for the species. When rains come heavy in that part of the world many fish are "flushed" out to sea. Those that manage to survive often will settle on the tranquil coastal areas, eventually working their way back up to rivers and streams by swimming near the shallow banks.
Maybe its the hardness not the salt. Sodium chloride (table salt, NaCl) is not the "salt" natural to most Molly habitats. Florida and Central Americas peninsula regions are composed mostly of limestone in many forms. Limestone is composed mainly of calcium carbonate (carbon-based skeletons of old coral seas). If I were to make an educated guess at what makes Florida fish farms such an ideal habitat for Mollys, I would say its the calcium hardness and high level of carbonates which buffers an alkaline pH (keeps it from shifting). Many municipal water supplies are hardened instead through bi-carbonates, which will raise the pH in the alkaline range to prevent pipe corrosion and lead seepage, but may not buffer enough for mollies and many other livebearers and not provide the calcium content. Hence, water hardness (mineral content) appears a bigger factor for Mollys than salt. For example, P. petenensis occurs at high elevations in a lake just outside Guatemala city. I doubt there is any "salt" (NaCl) at this elevation, but the substrate is volcanic in nature and full of minerals. The easiest way to add calcium hardness is to use crushed coral or shells as a substrate additive or in your filter. Even adding a few large seashells to your tank or filter should do the trick.
Water Changes Are Better Than Salt. The salt debate comes about when one deals with the less hardy and adaptable fancy livebearers, such as the Black Molly or Red Velvet Platy. These are genetically non-diverse varieties and thus prone to sickness, usually requiring higher temperatures and clean water (red velvet platies are another example). Here, salt acts as a tonic which make these fish more "forgiving" of the most common mistakes in fish husbandry - overcrowding and infrequent water changes. As Molly legend Dr. Joanne Norton (who was responsible for many of the varieties we now enjoy) advised nearly 30 years ago:
"...If water changes are large enough and frequent enough, and if all the water is well aerated and circulated, livebearers (all the species I have kept) do fine without salt added to the water. If these conditions are not met, or if the fish are too crowded, then troubles appear. Thus, salt enables you to continue one or more poor tank management practices that are still harmful even though the fish may survive them in the presence of salt
U.K. Livebearer expert Derek Lambert concurs with this general idea, as do many in the American Livebearer Association. I admit I do use salt in some of my livebearer tanks, as my maintenance practices are far from ideal. But I always get a better response from my livebearers when I do a water change and use crushed coral instead of adding salt. For sick fish or ailing fish, 1 teaspoon per gallon may be beneficial to relieve osmotic stress.
One of the benefits of not using salt is that you can keep a variety of plants in your tank. Live plants do a great job of maintaining water quality as they take up both carbon and nitrogenous wastes. Ive found a tank planted simply with Vallisneria spiralis will enable some fry to survive even the hungriest parents in the same tank. If you still prefer using salt for mollies, try Hornwort and Java Fern, which can be maintained although not optimally in brackish conditions.
So in summary, keep the water calcium hard if you plan on keeping aquarium strains Mollys (or any other livebearer). Temperature near 80F is recommended for the fancy hybrid strains. Maintain weekly water changes of 30% and give them some space. Id put no more than a trio of the larger fancy strains in a 10-gallon tank to bring them to full beauty. A 20 long is even better. There are some true brackish livebearers out there, such as the famed Peacock Molly, Poecilia picta, so consult your books (or me) whenever you acquire a new species.
ljen sam za pisati a i stvarno gadno ogranicen s vremenom u zadnje vrijeme, imam jedan clanak kojemu ne znam ni adresu nego ga stavljam sa kompjutera, ne znam da li e to smije, al eto... :?
islustvo, praksa i teorija ... o tom bi se dalo puno raspravljati pa evo sto jedan cica kaze o tome, kako on misli da bi to trebalo biti, ja sam drzao i jedne i druge u slatkoj vodi bez problema, vidio sam velifere u morskom akvarije koje su tamo normalno zivjele i jos svakakvih cuda al mi se opet cini da u nista nisam siguran ... :?
THE GREAT MOLLY-SALT DEBATE
Reprinted from the Freshwater & Marine Aquarium Magazine column (FAMA) .
One of the oldest-running conventional wisdoms in this hobby is the necessity of adding salt to molly tanks. As the theory goes, mollies experience the shimmies without brackish water, and eventually succumb to poor health. The basis for this seemingly age-old wisdom comes from various fishkeepers, as well as the brackish or marine conditions that Poecilia lattipina (the ancestor of all cultivated Mollys), often frequents. The experience of expert molly keepers, collectors, and fish farmers, however, is just the opposite: salt is NOT a requirement for healthy mollies. So whos right?
The Salty Facts
One of the problems with most of the hobby literature advocating the use of salt is that folks who are not specialized molly breeders often write them. One book I read even advises molly breeders not to bother with any special feeding for the fry, as youll have more mollies than you need anyway! A good source for authoritative information are the folks at the livebearer hobby organizations, molly collectors, as well as the Florida fish farmers who supply these animals. Heres what they tell us in summary
Not all Mollies are the same. Pet shop and introduced mollies are usually aquarium strains which are hybrids from Poecilia latipinna, P. velifera, and species from the sphenops complex.
Mollies are Adaptable. Aquarium mollies are highly adaptable fish that have been introduced all over the world in a variety of fresh and marine habitats. Floridas race of P. latipinna is the only Molly species that commonly inhabits "salt-water" and one of the few (along with a race of P. velifera) to inhabit "brackish" habitats. This probably explains why aquarium strains of mollies do not have a salinity mortality threshold like other livebearers (most aquarium strains have P. latipinna and/or velifera in their ancestry). Ive collected P. latipinna in Key Largo, Florida right next to a Sea Anemone. But just a few miles away in the Everglades, fresh water becomes their biotope. In Shreveport, Louisiana Livebearers Journal Editor Bill Allen collects them in the rainwater-fed drainage ditches! Even the South American One-Spot Molly, P. vivapara, consists of races that exist from both soft rainforests and coastal lagoons. All these fish are breeding and thriving.
Most Mollys Never See Salt. Most if not all the Mollys that inhabit the streams and rivers of Central America will live out their lives without ever venturing into brackish water. Many of these are fish of the sphenops complex that include species now classified as Poecilia maylandi, butleri, and salvatoris among others. Aquarium strains with short fins or smaller dorsals have these animals in their ancestry. Their biotopes are often fast moving streams and rivers fed mainly by rainfall. These same fish can and do occasionally exist in brackish deltas and marshes, but that does not mean this should be considered the "type" environment for the species. When rains come heavy in that part of the world many fish are "flushed" out to sea. Those that manage to survive often will settle on the tranquil coastal areas, eventually working their way back up to rivers and streams by swimming near the shallow banks.
Maybe its the hardness not the salt. Sodium chloride (table salt, NaCl) is not the "salt" natural to most Molly habitats. Florida and Central Americas peninsula regions are composed mostly of limestone in many forms. Limestone is composed mainly of calcium carbonate (carbon-based skeletons of old coral seas). If I were to make an educated guess at what makes Florida fish farms such an ideal habitat for Mollys, I would say its the calcium hardness and high level of carbonates which buffers an alkaline pH (keeps it from shifting). Many municipal water supplies are hardened instead through bi-carbonates, which will raise the pH in the alkaline range to prevent pipe corrosion and lead seepage, but may not buffer enough for mollies and many other livebearers and not provide the calcium content. Hence, water hardness (mineral content) appears a bigger factor for Mollys than salt. For example, P. petenensis occurs at high elevations in a lake just outside Guatemala city. I doubt there is any "salt" (NaCl) at this elevation, but the substrate is volcanic in nature and full of minerals. The easiest way to add calcium hardness is to use crushed coral or shells as a substrate additive or in your filter. Even adding a few large seashells to your tank or filter should do the trick.
Water Changes Are Better Than Salt. The salt debate comes about when one deals with the less hardy and adaptable fancy livebearers, such as the Black Molly or Red Velvet Platy. These are genetically non-diverse varieties and thus prone to sickness, usually requiring higher temperatures and clean water (red velvet platies are another example). Here, salt acts as a tonic which make these fish more "forgiving" of the most common mistakes in fish husbandry - overcrowding and infrequent water changes. As Molly legend Dr. Joanne Norton (who was responsible for many of the varieties we now enjoy) advised nearly 30 years ago:
"...If water changes are large enough and frequent enough, and if all the water is well aerated and circulated, livebearers (all the species I have kept) do fine without salt added to the water. If these conditions are not met, or if the fish are too crowded, then troubles appear. Thus, salt enables you to continue one or more poor tank management practices that are still harmful even though the fish may survive them in the presence of salt
U.K. Livebearer expert Derek Lambert concurs with this general idea, as do many in the American Livebearer Association. I admit I do use salt in some of my livebearer tanks, as my maintenance practices are far from ideal. But I always get a better response from my livebearers when I do a water change and use crushed coral instead of adding salt. For sick fish or ailing fish, 1 teaspoon per gallon may be beneficial to relieve osmotic stress.
One of the benefits of not using salt is that you can keep a variety of plants in your tank. Live plants do a great job of maintaining water quality as they take up both carbon and nitrogenous wastes. Ive found a tank planted simply with Vallisneria spiralis will enable some fry to survive even the hungriest parents in the same tank. If you still prefer using salt for mollies, try Hornwort and Java Fern, which can be maintained although not optimally in brackish conditions.
So in summary, keep the water calcium hard if you plan on keeping aquarium strains Mollys (or any other livebearer). Temperature near 80F is recommended for the fancy hybrid strains. Maintain weekly water changes of 30% and give them some space. Id put no more than a trio of the larger fancy strains in a 10-gallon tank to bring them to full beauty. A 20 long is even better. There are some true brackish livebearers out there, such as the famed Peacock Molly, Poecilia picta, so consult your books (or me) whenever you acquire a new species.
super, vratio se kroner... a bilo mi je ba ljep ovdje...
Moram nabavit koju veliferu/latipinu da si zacikliram morski tank
...tekst cu citat drugom zgodom!
Moram nabavit koju veliferu/latipinu da si zacikliram morski tank
...tekst cu citat drugom zgodom!
Evo chubby, ja cu dati neki svoj mali komentar na tekst koji si prilozio.
Jednostavno svako ima pravo da sudi onako kako misli da je , a da li je to ispravno to je drugo pitanje. Tako isto mislim i za taj akvaristicki casopis koji je izdao takav tekst . Ja ne bih da navodim mnoge tekstove gde su iskustva sasvim drugacija od ovoga sto je tu napisano ali sam izneo neko svoje iskustvo za koje tvrdim da ima dosta toga tacnog, sto sam naveo.
Kao prvo, uvek sam eksperimentisao sa ribama kada su u pitanju neki saveti, tako i sa veliferama i latipinama. Naime ,kada sam prvi put testirao ove ribe na povecan salinitet, uvek sam pola riba od uvezene ture ostavljao onako kako sam do tada radio ,znaci bez soli. I uvek mi se ista stvar desavala, da mi velifere i latipine koje su u neslanoj vodi obole a da ona druga grupa bude potpuno zdrava i zivahna. To nisam samo jednom probao vec vise puta iako me je to skupo kostalo, zbog lecenja i uginuca pojedinih riba.
Znaci tvrdnje da so nije potrebna mislim da ne stoje, bar jednom bi se desilo da takve ribe ne dobiju kozna oboljenja u akvarijumima gde nije bilo soli. Uostalom, za tako nesto (dodavanje soli ) procitao sam kasnije u mnogim literaturama i od velikih autora tih tekstova.
Da , zaboravio sam da kazem . :wink: Jos jedan razlog postoji zasto velifere i latipine oboljevaju ako ne dodajemo so. Najveci razlog je od kojeg uzgajivaca dobijamo te ribe. :wink: Mozda te ribe stizu iz odgajivacnica (a verovatno da tako jeste ) gde je salinitet mnogo veci nego sto bi trebalo da bude! Takve ribe kada nam stignu iz uvoza ne trpe poptpuno slatku vodu. Ne znam , nisam kontrolisao salinitet vode koja je u kesam koja je direktno stigla od odgajivaca ali ipak to je moja logicna pretpostavka da je tako.
Mozda nesto vise mogu reci direktni uvoznici . :wink:
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Tema nije promasena jer se ovaj problem javlja iskljucivo kod veliferama i latipina
Jednostavno svako ima pravo da sudi onako kako misli da je , a da li je to ispravno to je drugo pitanje. Tako isto mislim i za taj akvaristicki casopis koji je izdao takav tekst . Ja ne bih da navodim mnoge tekstove gde su iskustva sasvim drugacija od ovoga sto je tu napisano ali sam izneo neko svoje iskustvo za koje tvrdim da ima dosta toga tacnog, sto sam naveo.
Kao prvo, uvek sam eksperimentisao sa ribama kada su u pitanju neki saveti, tako i sa veliferama i latipinama. Naime ,kada sam prvi put testirao ove ribe na povecan salinitet, uvek sam pola riba od uvezene ture ostavljao onako kako sam do tada radio ,znaci bez soli. I uvek mi se ista stvar desavala, da mi velifere i latipine koje su u neslanoj vodi obole a da ona druga grupa bude potpuno zdrava i zivahna. To nisam samo jednom probao vec vise puta iako me je to skupo kostalo, zbog lecenja i uginuca pojedinih riba.
Znaci tvrdnje da so nije potrebna mislim da ne stoje, bar jednom bi se desilo da takve ribe ne dobiju kozna oboljenja u akvarijumima gde nije bilo soli. Uostalom, za tako nesto (dodavanje soli ) procitao sam kasnije u mnogim literaturama i od velikih autora tih tekstova.
Da , zaboravio sam da kazem . :wink: Jos jedan razlog postoji zasto velifere i latipine oboljevaju ako ne dodajemo so. Najveci razlog je od kojeg uzgajivaca dobijamo te ribe. :wink: Mozda te ribe stizu iz odgajivacnica (a verovatno da tako jeste ) gde je salinitet mnogo veci nego sto bi trebalo da bude! Takve ribe kada nam stignu iz uvoza ne trpe poptpuno slatku vodu. Ne znam , nisam kontrolisao salinitet vode koja je u kesam koja je direktno stigla od odgajivaca ali ipak to je moja logicna pretpostavka da je tako.
Mozda nesto vise mogu reci direktni uvoznici . :wink:
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Tema nije promasena jer se ovaj problem javlja iskljucivo kod veliferama i latipina
Bobane hvala na mudrom odgovoru.
Problem sa nasim pristupom bazi je sto on dozvoljava mnogo slobode svim clanovima. Slike koje ste videli tamo nije trebalo da budu visne cak ni pod latipinom jer nisu bile zadovoljavajuceg kvaliteta. Ali promaklo nam je s obzirom da je bilo u vreme kad se dosta toga trpalo u bazu. Na srecu ta je greka sad ispravljena. I ostale ce verovatno sa vremenom kako se vrste budu popunjavale.
Sto se tice gornjeg teksta mislim da je on vrlo dobar. Poenta u kojoj se ne slaze Faunino iskustvo sa tekstom verovatno je posledica velicine i porekla uzorka. Uslovi koje zahtevaju nase ribe odredjene su njihovim kapacitetom da podnesu variranja tih uslova. A taj kapacitet je za vrstu to je kategorija o kojoj raspravlja taj rad ili cak hibride vrsta mnogo vesi nego za jednu, ajde da je nazovemo tako, lokalnu populaciju, kakva je ona koja potice od nekog odgajivaca.
Sve te ribe koje su nama lepe i sarene cesto su posledica ogranicavanje geneticke varijabilnosti do te mere da postanu malo kilavije. Onda so deluje kao preventiva.
I zato je moguce da kako to Fauna rece ribe koje stizu do njega i nas ostalih zahtevaju so iz dva razloga kao preventivu i kao nesto sto imitira njhove predacke vode.
Problem sa nasim pristupom bazi je sto on dozvoljava mnogo slobode svim clanovima. Slike koje ste videli tamo nije trebalo da budu visne cak ni pod latipinom jer nisu bile zadovoljavajuceg kvaliteta. Ali promaklo nam je s obzirom da je bilo u vreme kad se dosta toga trpalo u bazu. Na srecu ta je greka sad ispravljena. I ostale ce verovatno sa vremenom kako se vrste budu popunjavale.
Sto se tice gornjeg teksta mislim da je on vrlo dobar. Poenta u kojoj se ne slaze Faunino iskustvo sa tekstom verovatno je posledica velicine i porekla uzorka. Uslovi koje zahtevaju nase ribe odredjene su njihovim kapacitetom da podnesu variranja tih uslova. A taj kapacitet je za vrstu to je kategorija o kojoj raspravlja taj rad ili cak hibride vrsta mnogo vesi nego za jednu, ajde da je nazovemo tako, lokalnu populaciju, kakva je ona koja potice od nekog odgajivaca.
Sve te ribe koje su nama lepe i sarene cesto su posledica ogranicavanje geneticke varijabilnosti do te mere da postanu malo kilavije. Onda so deluje kao preventiva.
I zato je moguce da kako to Fauna rece ribe koje stizu do njega i nas ostalih zahtevaju so iz dva razloga kao preventivu i kao nesto sto imitira njhove predacke vode.
Vrlo verovatno da je u pitanju P. latipinna a to na osnovu ovih slika ne moze da se odredi. Ako imas zivaca i strpljenja onda sedni i izbroji im zbice u ledjnom peraju. P. latipinna ima 14 a P. velifera 18-19.
